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  • brianwmunz 38 minutes ago
    Whenever I would talk to people about the importance of privacy in data and online activity, people would always say something like "I don't care, I've got nothing to hide. I'm not some weird pervert." And yeah I'm not either but this kind of stuff is why it's important. Fascism thrives on knowledge of the people it wants to oppress.
    • troyvit 22 minutes ago
      It's trite, but saying you don't care about privacy rights because you have nothing to hide is like saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.
      • giancarlostoro 9 minutes ago
        Just correct them more blatantly:

        I dont care about the fourth amendment, I have nothing to hide.

  • jmbwell 8 minutes ago
    I just caught myself thinking Pantos shouldn’t have answered the phone. Not in a blame the victim way, more in that never answering the phone is just good opsec at this point. The phone, the door, just don’t talk to a cop without a lawyer. They don’t come to you to be helpful to -you-.

    Except in this case in a broader sense, we know about something we wouldn’t have otherwise

  • superkuh 1 hour ago
    >Department of Homeland Security officials have repeatedly denied having a database tracking U.S. citizen protesters or a database of "domestic terrorists", even as anecdotes like what happened to Pantos and Williams suggest federal agents are collecting observers' information in some capacity.

    The real list of domestic terrorists is the DHS employee payroll for ICE and CBP.

    The DHS's list of people who observe them is not standalone, they say they integrate it into existing databases, and this is their strongest claim. But it's just obfuscation, the intent, that they maintain a list of normal people who observe them so they can terrorize them has been confirmed.

    • kgwxd 1 hour ago
      Welcome to the list.
      • red-iron-pine 29 minutes ago
        posting a sardonic comment like that? also list.
        • virgildotcodes 27 minutes ago
          Replying to a sardonic comment - believe it or not, list.
          • ccvannorman 25 minutes ago
            Posting a level 3 meme comment? Straight to list.
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  • oakinnagbe 57 minutes ago
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  • zthrowaway 1 hour ago
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    • herbst 1 hour ago
      Is that the case? Did they also have some kind of untrained police force (ice) doing the dirty things?

      From here in Europe it looks like that shithole of country completely lost their mind. But who knows what is real anymore

      • Izkata 28 minutes ago
        ICE is decades old, so yes.
      • wat10000 47 minutes ago
        Trumpers refuse to believe that the issue is not the deportations themselves, but the abuses and murders that accompany them.
      • mothballed 27 minutes ago
        Yes, pre-Trump I was brutalized by DHS at the border including strip searched, cavity searched, medical bills racked up in my name and imprisoned based on a completely fabricated tale by DHS.

        I posted my story on HN and a few other places and I was mocked and told in so many words I deserved it and I had probably lied about the back-story. The only people that would believe it was my own family. The ACLU and all the lawyers I contacted declined the case or ignored it.

        After Trump I told the same story and suddenly everyone believed it. Everyone. Suddenly all the lawyers that ignored me and declined the case were saying "why didn't you seek damages."

        It was there all along. It got worse with Trump in charge, but the truth is, you all just didn't believe us when it happened under Biden. The true stories of the abused weren't believed and taken seriously until it was politically convenient.

    • wnevets 1 hour ago
      > Where was all the outcry when Obama and Biden were deporting way more per year than Trump is?

      It sounds like you are saying you believe Trump is weaker on border security than Obama & Biden.

      • notaustinpowers 16 minutes ago
        "The enemy is both strong and weak." - Ur-Fascism, 1995.
  • chasil 1 hour ago
    I think that we should have a Schengen Area of the Americas, but observing the problems that this has caused the E.U. (Brexit), a proper implementation would require a much more controlled and gradual approach.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area

    Edit: It would be most pleasant to delete this comment. Drat.

    • wongarsu 43 minutes ago
      But Britain was never in the Schengen area. One of their many "we are an island, we are different" privileges
    • wat10000 48 minutes ago
      What's the connection between Schengen and Brexit?
      • hinoki 42 minutes ago
        To give more context:

        The UK is not and has never been in Schengen.

        I guess GP is taking about free movement of EU citizens, but that has nothing to do with Schengen.

        • pbhjpbhj 18 minutes ago
          Schengen Area has open borders with a common visa policy.

          >free movement of EU citizens, [...] has nothing to do with Schengen.

          Did you mis-speak?

          One of the things leading up to Brexit was politicians claiming we couldn't police our borders without getting out of the EU. That was of course false. Almost the opposite in practical terms.

          Presumably, if UK were to return to the EU we would do so without our past veto, and as part of Schengen. That makes it less desirable.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area

          • ninalanyon 0 minutes ago
            Not all EU countries are in Schengen so why would the UK have to be part of it if it rejoined the EU?
    • mothballed 55 minutes ago